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888zzz: Competition is perfectly healthy. The problem arises when the public does not own the means of production and instead it's controlled by totalitarian institutions. Liberals oftentimes are too idealistic about human nature. It's not realistic to expect people to go to work just to express themselves and contribute to the common good. Nor should they entirely. There's nothing wrong with striving to better one's life materialistically up to a point.

mr1001nights: haha, well, at first I thought he was an ancap, but then I found out he was a GOP guy

NamelessCommenter: No. It's the only option. It's true that we're unequal, because we're not clones; but we can't objectively weigh the value of our inequalities. So we're at a standstill: all we can do is presume equality and treat one another accordingly.

NamelessCommenter: Name a creative endeavor that can't be accomplished at least as well by cooperation as by competition. Now name a destructive endeavor. I bet the latter is easier.

ZamatoElite: I disagree with your presumption. If you acknowledge that people are unequal, than neither the Market-based or Socialist-based social structure can be justified over the other.

greenhell666: well said mate

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greenhell666: have you ever played monopoly ? if so you should have learned something "reseting" capitalism or making new rules isnt gonna fix it

greenhell666: people who are pro market or capitalism DONT understand human nature

nijaexhile3: Interesting discussion. Hey just a bit of constructive advice for the Radio...try to cut out the frequent "uh" and "ums". Practice just having pauses where youd normally say "Uh" in a normal conversation(dead pauses if you have to...youll get better at it)And the pace you speak at in the videos so much better(I know its more prepared). Great content as usual though.

yeahwotevaman: All what the profit incentive does in capitalism is create the incentive to drive down labour/production costs due the mechanism of market competition constant squeezing down prices. This is why we end up with shoddier products. I don't think it is done with the conscious intent on the part of the capitalist to make something that is going to break a few years down the line.

metalorg: I think you got caught up trying to summarize your alien video which basically says, "a 'free' market leads to giant corporate dictatorships owning everything". It seemed like he didn't understand what you were getting at and moved onto his computer example. What were you going to say about wage labor and limited self management? In a free market scenario what sort of things would block self management? What were you saying about freedom within a framework?

verstwo2: interesting debate...wish it could have continued.

DeflocculatedDentist: I'd say it's intentional because otherwise you cannot maintain scarcity. The production costs more when you output shoddier products because you have to produce so much more to keep up with demand. When you make better products you simply make less money because there's less demand.

jesuschrustpizza: Would anarchists restrict powerful entities from forming? What "authority " would restrict such powerful entities from forming? A powerful entity that restricts other powerful entities?

CapitalistHolocaust: I think Chomsky cites 80% public funding for the expensive research & development phase of computers throughout the 50s & 60s & then around 50% in the 80s. Making it pretty much more of a Socialist invention than a Capitalist one. The Internet prototypes were also developed with public funding via the military, making them more Socialist in inception. Tim Berners Lee invented the worldwide web whilst working at CERN, which is funded by European taxpayers, another Socialist invention.

Philfa: I'm gonna have to act as a Michael Albert proxy on this one and tackle that guy's comment about Einstein and Picasso being exceptions to the rule of profit-driven personal accomplishments. Very simply, anyone that arises within the given capitalist framework and does things for creative fulfillment to benefit society is doing so NOT as an exception to the rule of human nature, but as a testament to their excellence triumphing over said framework which prohibits others from doing the same.

mr1001nights: participatory democracy restricts the appearance of authoritarian structures.

RevolutionaryJam: oooh I love a good debate

nightpotato: Mr1001bolsheviks spends a lot of time defending the State for a supposed Anarchist.

NamelessCommenter: I don't recognize your neologisms. I'm pointing to the fact that our inequalities cannot be objectively weighed. Who's to say which set of attributes constitutes a "superior" or "inferior" person? It's subjective, and largely dependent on random conditions.

NamelessCommenter: P.S. I see that you're a gamer. If you've played multiplayer games with different characters, each possessing different skills, then you ought to understand what I'm saying. The player with brute strength may appear "superior" in one circumstance, but helpless in the next -- where his formerly helpless comrade, with her different skills, is able to shine. We can't measure the value of the characters; they're equal parts of the whole. It takes all kinds; there's no accounting for our differences.

AbtinX: Thats not true what the conservative says. The very first computing device was to be developed by the British Empire during the 19th century to help their fleets navigate better. It was never developed beyond the prototype state.

RSFO: Money is one of the core problems. The other is polytricks (politics). While I see how the basic values of libertarian socialism, which are really just classic liberalism (Roussau, liberty, equality), are in accordance with the majority, I do not think they always have the most probable answer. I think that system most capable of providing such freedom is a Technocracy. But while such a system has no hierarchy or power over people there is a katascopic approach to a physical economy.

RSFO: I encourage people with an open mind to see our approach. While Technocracy is non-political the design seems like a unity between anarchism and critical rationalism (modern scientific method).

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