Universal Health Care - Catching up to the rest of the West? Video

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JaktheAtheist: The fallacy in this argument is that you're assuming it's an "either or" system when it's really an "and also" system. It's about whether you want even more debt in addition to rather than instead of debt that you don't support. However while I disagree with this particular argument I agree with the idea of universal healthcare. Although not the plan recently passed by the senate.

dangerouslytalented: The changed system will result in LESS expense, even if taxes go up to pay for it, and why? Because universal health care is CHEAPER. You will pay a little more to the government, but you will be paying LESS to the insurance companies. Every nation with universal healthcare has a healthier populace and lower healthcare costs.

JaktheAtheist: Can you read? That's not what I was talking about, I was referring specifically to his argument about what kind of debt we want as a country, maybe you replied to the wrong comment or something on accident.

dangerouslytalented: Government debt, corporate debt, and private debt are all huge burdens in America. Paying less, AS A WHOLE, for healthcare is going to relieve some of this burden. It may increase government debt (comparatively slightly) but this shortfall can be made up for by increasing taxes, but less money will be spent on insurance, so in effect people will be paying less, even with higher taxes. The savings are there to be made.

djslay34982: @dangerouslytalented Universal health care is cheaper because of Price Ceilings. Those price ceilings cause funding shortages which results in inadequate care for some who live in countries with UHC. The people are healthier in Other nations because of the different lifestyles they have. Not the health care system.

dangerouslytalented: Australians have similar lifestyles to Americans. Australians have better life expectancies. Our healthcare is not inadequate. And nobody is getting bankrupted, unlike in the US where 60% of all bankruptcies are because of healthcare. Not even including the trouble business like GM have gotten into because they have had to provide healthcare for their employees.

djslay34982: @dangerouslytalented First I will get to your first argument then your second about bankruptices. With all due respect Australia is nothing like the US in terms of life style. The US is the fattest country in the world( Which I am sure Australia is not #2 or even in the top 10)We have far more murder.lastly we have far more car accidents. Your LE is better because of things that have nothing to do with health care.

BalthazzarCH: imagine your body is a car. if you properly fix a rusty spot on your car as soon as you see it, it costs you about 50 to 100 Bucks. If you say "uh that probably nothing let's cover it with a little paint" you send about 10 bucks, but it keeps rusting until some intergral parts of the car are getting weakened by the rust. Then you'd have to buy a new car or spend emense amounts of money to get the rusty parts replaced by new ones. That is the problem in countries without "social" healthcare.

andreasrylander: As always, very perceptive and clearsighted. :)

therealdjspiff: do you guys honestly believe that private health insurance companies are trying to lobby against government health care because they think it's for your own good? it's all about money. these guys makes tons off of you and they don't want the government interfering with their profit margin. the government is probably motivated by money as well. health care is big bucks. government health care works, no doubt about it. private companies are crooks. no doubt about that either.

PanzerDivisionBOM: You appear to be confused on a couple of points. Being forced to pay for this program will not get you off the hook for paying for other programs, and it will not cause US hitmen to stop murdering people abroad. Unless forcing employers at gunpoint to pay for their employees' healthcare somehow renders those employers more inclined towards charity, or those employees drastically more efficient, then that healthcare money must either come out of wages, or increase the cost of labour.

djslay34982: @BalthazzarCH . The problem is Health Insurance companies,mask the cost of health care for their customers as a result people don't shop around for better deals and Doctors can charge what ever they want.(They have to if they want to pay back all their loans) What countries with socialized medicine don't seem to realize is that your lower cost is artificial because of price ceilings. If socialized medicine worked so well health care cost would not be spiking in Europe.

TheSandsOfTime60: For one, cost needs to be thrown out since countries with socialized medicine have price caps on their health care (this is like comparing apples to oranges). Secondly, the reason the United States may be so low in health care quality (ie. why our health care may be rated below ohter countries across the board) is because some Americans don't have health insurance. Look up the statistics for mortality rates for patients w/cancer, heart disease, etc. and you will find that the US at the top.

elrito1: thanks for the response, but I feel like you are making the same argument I am...Just because certain aspects of our system are great don't make the system great...interestingly, poor diet, high cholesterol, heart disease, are most prevalent amongst the poorest in this country (who often dont have health insurance)...So much for responsiveness, also those who dont have health care have no preventative medicine, hence they are only in the hospital when on death's door knob. what is the detriment?

elrito1: In other words, yes, if everyone in this county had access to health care we may be the best or close to it.....but, thats not the playing field we are dealing with...as it is the insurance and pharma companies have a stranglehold on doctors and the type and quality of care that they give. .my girlfriend is a doctor and she and many of her peers feel this way. also, 60% of bankruptcy in this country is due to medical debt...what is the detriment?

elrito1: In Sept, 2009, the highly esteemed New England journal of medicine published a study, done by independent researchers, which concluded after over 2000 doctors were interviewed that 73% support single-payer public health care...thats right, almost 3/4 of all doctors in this country support public health care! the vast majority of support and arguments for the current system are the direct results of corporate propaganda, where money is the bottom line...Not quality health care...

BalthazzarCH: i live in europe, i am 26 and I'm paying the standardised healcare fee... wanna know how much this "peak" was last year? About ONE dollar per month raise. ... yeah I'm really wondering where i could save that buck... we have a standardised base-insurace everybody needs but we can get them from different companies who charge different fees (everything quite close together though) and then everyone is free to get aditional packages like alternative medicine or private-insurance.

djslay34982: @BalthazzarCH I knew you had to be from Switzerland I was thinking if we had to get UHC it should be modeled after your country's plan. However the Swiss plan still has only made marginal gains to curb the rising cost of health care. Health care cost are still on the rise. What we need is to get rid of health insurance companies and Government funded HC and let consumers drive down the cost of Health care.

BalthazzarCH: the healthcare isn't raising much more anywhere else eighter. The trick is that the insurance companys get enought money by small raises because everyone has insurance. And everyone goes to the doctor before it's getting too serious because he has HC. We're not tempted to abuse it because we have something i think it's called "retention per year" in english. So you don't become a hypochondriac eighter. But we're save can send our children to college even if someone gets cancer in the family

djslay34982: @BalthazzarCH "Either" not "eighter"(I am learning a second language too) here is the thing Most of Americans have health insurance either privately or through medicaid. the 47 million who don't are young like myself or illegal. Second cost diffusion does work well but it does not address the chief reason why health care cost are rising which is a lack of competition between doctors and hospitals.

BalthazzarCH: whops, sorry on that mistake.. Well idk the current situation in the US right now. So all i can tell you about is the system i know which - in my opinion - wirks really well. i think the difference are those 47 Million who don't spend any money on HC if everyone does spend a relatively small amount. it'd would already work. sure there are people who spend some money every month and never get any serious illness. But there is always someone you know in your life who isn't that lucky. 1/2...

BalthazzarCH: 2/2 ... the major reason for the costs are the greedyness of the private clinics and the pharma industry. Without standards the industry has no limits to charge whatever they want for their medicine. And doctors go to the most expensive private clinics to get the best possible payment. That will change as soon as the medicine gets objectively tested and compared. idk what america is planning on the private clinics topic though... i don't think they can or will limit them.

jcfan42: The choice presented here seems to be one or the other; currently, we are attempting to have both. How about neither? We could be fine without them, not to mention the unconstitutionality of universal health care.

rentedhalo: "unless you're just political hacks" :D zing!

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